Comments on: Ask Zaltu: 3.1 Glyphs and Rupture-less Mutilate http://oneroguesjourney.com/2009/03/12/ask-zaltu-31-glyphs-and-rupture-less-mutilate/ One Rogue's Journey Through Life, but Mostly Video Games Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:58:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Charlez http://oneroguesjourney.com/2009/03/12/ask-zaltu-31-glyphs-and-rupture-less-mutilate/comment-page-1/#comment-779 Charlez Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:56:59 +0000 http://oneroguesjourney.com/?p=635#comment-779 mutilate is way more entertaining than combat, i agree! mut spec should have rupture,hfb, and mutilate glyphs. you should also spec into master poisoner. Also dont get vigor, pointless you want the bonus chance of a combo point more! start your rotation with garrote, auto bleed so your next move is HfB, then with that one combo point wait til energy is about full then hit SnD. then mut, rupture, mut, envenom. doing so will start your rotation. super simple and just remeber to refresh SnD via envenom also to refresh HfB, rupture is the 3rd thing on your mind at all times. good luck and have fun mutilate is way more entertaining than combat, i agree! mut spec should have rupture,hfb, and mutilate glyphs. you should also spec into master poisoner. Also dont get vigor, pointless you want the bonus chance of a combo point more! start your rotation with garrote, auto bleed so your next move is HfB, then with that one combo point wait til energy is about full then hit SnD. then mut, rupture, mut, envenom. doing so will start your rotation. super simple and just remeber to refresh SnD via envenom also to refresh HfB, rupture is the 3rd thing on your mind at all times.

good luck and have fun

]]> By: Kurojaki-Magtheridon http://oneroguesjourney.com/2009/03/12/ask-zaltu-31-glyphs-and-rupture-less-mutilate/comment-page-1/#comment-598 Kurojaki-Magtheridon Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:33:38 +0000 http://oneroguesjourney.com/?p=635#comment-598 Im atm mutilate, havent used "master poisoner" until a read it more carefully today :( (shame on me) I use: rupture, mutilate and HfB glyphs. SnD is not needed anymore since the change of HfB so you can easily keep your rotation up without SnD glyph. Fan of knives is a waste imo since very few fights require shitloads of aoe dmg. I havent tried combat since i rly hate it and think its boring. But ive been max dps and im mostly top 5 in most fight in ulduar without master poisoner and with vigor+2/3ruthlessness instead of 3/3 ruthlessness since u, no longer got a spot for vigor glyph Im atm mutilate, havent used “master poisoner” until a read it more carefully today :( (shame on me) I use: rupture, mutilate and HfB glyphs.
SnD is not needed anymore since the change of HfB so you can easily keep your rotation up without SnD glyph. Fan of knives is a waste imo since very few fights require shitloads of aoe dmg. I havent tried combat since i rly hate it and think its boring. But ive been max dps and im mostly top 5 in most fight in ulduar without master poisoner and with vigor+2/3ruthlessness instead of 3/3 ruthlessness since u, no longer got a spot for vigor glyph

]]> By: paramourn http://oneroguesjourney.com/2009/03/12/ask-zaltu-31-glyphs-and-rupture-less-mutilate/comment-page-1/#comment-549 paramourn Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:25:54 +0000 http://oneroguesjourney.com/?p=635#comment-549 PPS. I just love how we have all these badass glyphs now!! I feel like a kid in Mr. Bulky's with my parent's wallet ;) PPS. I just love how we have all these badass glyphs now!! I feel like a kid in Mr. Bulky’s with my parent’s wallet ;)

]]> By: paramourn http://oneroguesjourney.com/2009/03/12/ask-zaltu-31-glyphs-and-rupture-less-mutilate/comment-page-1/#comment-548 paramourn Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:25:00 +0000 http://oneroguesjourney.com/?p=635#comment-548 PS. I will use the envenom glyph if it goes live instead of rupture or mut. PS. I will use the envenom glyph if it goes live instead of rupture or mut.

]]> By: paramourn http://oneroguesjourney.com/2009/03/12/ask-zaltu-31-glyphs-and-rupture-less-mutilate/comment-page-1/#comment-547 paramourn Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:23:07 +0000 http://oneroguesjourney.com/?p=635#comment-547 you guys are crazy.....drop snd. Get the improved slice and dice in the combat tree and kill off 2 points from precision....If your in FULL RAID GEAR YOU DON'T NEED THIS MUCH HIT! it is a waste and I am the only rogue i know doing this. I ASSURE YOU YOUR "MISS" WILL NOT SUFFER...I never miss...and am only missing less than 10% of my autoattacks. Replace SnD with Fan of Knives glyph....not valid? Of COURSE IT IS! In OS and in Naxx there are several times my most damaging ability is Fan of knives....20% increase to ALL damage is utterly insane. My set up will be: FOK glyph. HFB glyph. Either Mut or Rupture glyph. anyone have the 411 on perfect mut spec in 3.1, also what weps are we usin? what poisons? I have 2x webbed and 2x sinister revenge.....I imagine slow main, fast off again...deadly in main instant in off....Idk what do you guys think? you guys are crazy…..drop snd. Get the improved slice and dice in the combat tree and kill off 2 points from precision….If your in FULL RAID GEAR YOU DON’T NEED THIS MUCH HIT! it is a waste and I am the only rogue i know doing this. I ASSURE YOU YOUR “MISS” WILL NOT SUFFER…I never miss…and am only missing less than 10% of my autoattacks. Replace SnD with Fan of Knives glyph….not valid? Of COURSE IT IS! In OS and in Naxx there are several times my most damaging ability is Fan of knives….20% increase to ALL damage is utterly insane.

My set up will be:
FOK glyph.
HFB glyph.
Either Mut or Rupture glyph.

anyone have the 411 on perfect mut spec in 3.1, also what weps are we usin? what poisons? I have 2x webbed and 2x sinister revenge…..I imagine slow main, fast off again…deadly in main instant in off….Idk what do you guys think?

]]> By: Xance http://oneroguesjourney.com/2009/03/12/ask-zaltu-31-glyphs-and-rupture-less-mutilate/comment-page-1/#comment-467 Xance Tue, 24 Mar 2009 02:16:41 +0000 http://oneroguesjourney.com/?p=635#comment-467 You forgot about the new Glyph of Fan of Knives. I am trying to figure out what Glyph I can afford to drop to use it. You forgot about the new Glyph of Fan of Knives. I am trying to figure out what Glyph I can afford to drop to use it.

]]> By: Rasial http://oneroguesjourney.com/2009/03/12/ask-zaltu-31-glyphs-and-rupture-less-mutilate/comment-page-1/#comment-429 Rasial Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:01:31 +0000 http://oneroguesjourney.com/?p=635#comment-429 Consider that the 5 energy discount from the mutilate glyph applies during the entire fight, not just for the duration of overkill. This yields 8.33% more mutilates, or 8.77% more with the T7 set bonus. That said, where I'm sitting, optimal mutilate spec glyphs will be: mutilate, rupture, envenom. That assumes the envenom glyph makes it to live, of course. Also, @randomrogue: Rupture is not the best direct damage finisher because of some magical uptime figure, it is because of the damage it causes vs. the energy it costs. Plainly put, it does more damage per energy than eviscerate or envenom -- and that is without the glyph. The 4 second increase from the glyph also significantly increases the damage, ramping up the damage/energy figure even more. Consider that the 5 energy discount from the mutilate glyph applies during the entire fight, not just for the duration of overkill. This yields 8.33% more mutilates, or 8.77% more with the T7 set bonus.

That said, where I’m sitting, optimal mutilate spec glyphs will be: mutilate, rupture, envenom. That assumes the envenom glyph makes it to live, of course.

Also, @randomrogue:

Rupture is not the best direct damage finisher because of some magical uptime figure, it is because of the damage it causes vs. the energy it costs. Plainly put, it does more damage per energy than eviscerate or envenom — and that is without the glyph. The 4 second increase from the glyph also significantly increases the damage, ramping up the damage/energy figure even more.

]]> By: Eren http://oneroguesjourney.com/2009/03/12/ask-zaltu-31-glyphs-and-rupture-less-mutilate/comment-page-1/#comment-422 Eren Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:51:53 +0000 http://oneroguesjourney.com/?p=635#comment-422 Hello ¿Maybe with this talent we can wear slow off-hand? "Master Poisoner: Now also increases the bonus to apply Deadly Poison when Envenom is used by an additional 15/30/45%." Hello

¿Maybe with this talent we can wear slow off-hand?

“Master Poisoner: Now also increases the bonus to apply Deadly Poison when Envenom is used by an additional 15/30/45%.”

]]> By: Zaltu Zen'tar http://oneroguesjourney.com/2009/03/12/ask-zaltu-31-glyphs-and-rupture-less-mutilate/comment-page-1/#comment-421 Zaltu Zen'tar Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:36:46 +0000 http://oneroguesjourney.com/?p=635#comment-421 Yes. The overall goal is to have weapon speed not effect the amount of damage from poison. With this setup the best choice for an assassination rogue in 3.1 will be Slow/Fast with deadly in the offhand since deadly is not going to a Proc-per-minute system. Yes. The overall goal is to have weapon speed not effect the amount of damage from poison.

With this setup the best choice for an assassination rogue in 3.1 will be Slow/Fast with deadly in the offhand since deadly is not going to a Proc-per-minute system.

]]> By: Eren http://oneroguesjourney.com/2009/03/12/ask-zaltu-31-glyphs-and-rupture-less-mutilate/comment-page-1/#comment-420 Eren Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:02:30 +0000 http://oneroguesjourney.com/?p=635#comment-420 We can read this on 3.1 PTR: "Instant Poison: Redesigned to have its chance to be applied based on the speed of the weapon (frequency-based)." That means that slowest daggers will apply the same number of poisons that faster ones? If that is true... ¿ the better choice for an assassination 3.1 rogue will be slowest/slowest? We can read this on 3.1 PTR:

“Instant Poison: Redesigned to have its chance to be applied based on the speed of the weapon (frequency-based).”

That means that slowest daggers will apply the same number of poisons that faster ones?

If that is true…

¿ the better choice for an assassination 3.1 rogue will be slowest/slowest?

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