http://wowwebstats.com/mzh11a4shuaxs?bl=0&filter=spell%3D%22Energized%22

Look at my WWS.

BUT I’m now trying to decide on single target if it’s worth dropping both set bonuses from T7.5 My stats are pretty much the same with both tier sets. the 5% reduction to energy cost on combo points is less than the t8 bonus but I’m just curious if rupture is a big enough deal to keep a 2 set bonus in…..Not sure.

It is assumed that multiple mobs with DP on them (via FoK most likely) will proc more energy (this has not been tested and can’t be confirmed until someone actually gets the set but it seems likely).

This is going to be pretty nice, especially since many of the bosses in Ulduar appear to have phases involving multiple adds. Granted we won’t be seeing 50 mobs for 50 energy a tick but I could see 3 or 4 and even that will be amazing .

Now what about multiple mobs? FoK with DP, on 50 mobs (just for the sake of the point), if 50 mobs’ DP ticked, is that going to be 50 energy? I would love that. >.>

Not sure if that is OP or not, taking into consideration DP procs, and the number of mobs you can acutally AOE. And besides Ulduar is supposed to be non aoe driven, so does it even matter?

Otherwise, it’s really just a “1 extra energy point every 3 seconds…. oh that only works if you have DP, so use DP, because we want you too…..”

http://wowwebstats.com/qg4kzvj3ms44a?s=569937-612498

just a few hundred shy of 10k on thad

Thank you my friend…..I stand utterly/completely corrected.

PS. Again, I hope I’m wrong but how would FoK be effected with the set bonus?! It’s not considered a combo move. and with you doing that single ability over and over it shouldn’t effect anything at all. please explain =)

Keep in mind that 140,000 damage isn’t a drop in the bucket.

Your Sarth parse is 8:30 seconds. That’s 510 seconds. 140,000 damage over 510 seconds is 275 DPS.

Let’s use your ‘conservative’ 70,000 dmg number. It’s still 138 DPS.

Is 138 DPS an insignificant drop in the bucket? Looks to me like it’s a 3/5% overall increase in your total damage output. Hardly trivial at all. And again, that’s not even accounting for secondary factors such as the hastening of cycles, additional poison procs, or overall cycle stability.

Oh, and just for good measure, the 4 set bonus happens to affect Fan of Knives as well, so you can probably add another half a free mutilate in over the fight duration on that 3D parse of yours, not to mention it’s pretty amazing in how it interacts with Overkill and Focused Attacks and Cold Blood for burst AoE. Pooling to 80+ energy, than vanish->fok->coldblood->fok until OOE produces a TON of damage in a very short time – just tricks a tank first!

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Also: since I made that I actually now have all 5 pieces of val. I sat on the dummies and pounded away this weekend, did heroics etc. and clear as night and day. Lower dps. Noticeably lower. I imagine if you feel the way you do it’s because of either 2 reasons.

A) You have the val pieces but don’t have 226 gear so you have nothing to compare it to and are almost prone to “hope/strive” to defend the set bonus because then your head is settled in thinking “I’m totally geared off”

B) You have read somewhere (I would hope) a very technical breakdown of how this beats the 226 gear.

In either case I would like to see some numbers and theorycrafting as to how this is plausible, or if you have just heard people rag on the 226 gear in a jealous, insecure way. Wait till you get those 3 pieces and you’ll probably feel the same. =)

In no way shape or form am I trying to be disrespectful. Just civilly disagreeing, bud =D I have personally tried the set bonus and feel in my situation it doesn’t work. Maybe you can prove me wrong!! Either way we both learn a little more about our class and become better! Thank you for replying to me, man, look forward to hearing from you.

Para

What does that mean? It means higher rupture uptime, more actions performed during the duration of buffs like Trinket procs, and Overkill, more Mutilates during the Envenom buff for more poison procs (Did you remember to factor in the damage of the Instant Poison procs from those 7 free mutilates in your calculation of lost damage?), etc. etc. etc.

It’s not just the extra actions that energy lets you perform, but the acceleration of your cycles over time.

After all, could you consieve of dropping Improved Sinister Strike from your Combat build?

Why was Hemo so viable in TBC in 11/27/23 trispecs, even if it did less damage than a Sinister Strike, and the build wasted 15-20 points on Sub filler? Because it cost 5 less energy.

The vast majority of PVE Rogues /vastly/ underrate the value of small fluctuations of energy, but there’s a reason that they’re such a big deal, and there’s a reason the 2 pc tier 8 bonus, while not as good as 4T7 in and of itself, is still very strong.