06.10
I just duel specced for assassination and read your article about rotation for mutilate and have a question.
Why would you use envenom instead of eviscerate to refresh slice and dice?
What is the difference?
Thanks
This is a very simple question and that’s part of why I choose it to answer directly in a post. It is relatively easy to say that Mutilate rogues use Envenom, while Combat rogues use Eviscerate. Sometimes I feel like the why of things are glossed over a bit too much. So why do mutilate rogues use Envenom?
Well, the quickest answer is that Envenom ignores armor and thus will do more damage than Eviscerate.
Simple huh? Well, until next time…hey wait…what are you doing…I’m done here…let go of me…I don’t wanna explain anymore…ow…ow…STOP HITTING ME. FINE!
OK, OK, so if that’s the case than why don’t you use Envenom as combat?
Well, first off most Combat builds do not take Vile Poisons so there Envenom will do less damage.
Secondly, Combat builds lack the Improved Poisons and Master Poisoner talents. These talents add an additional 55% chance to apply deadly poison! What this means is that a Mutilate rogue will be able to reapply a 5 stack of deadly poison in no time flat. The time it takes for a Combat rogue to reapply the same stack is significantly higher and thus actually turns into a lose of DPS (particularly when you take into account the T7 2-piece bonus).
And those reasons, are why you use Envenom as a Mutilate rogue. Pretty snazzy huh? Snazzy is a good word, people should use it more often.
Got a question you just must have answered? Leave a comment or drop me a line.
This isn’t quite true – the damage is higher of course, but you lose a lot of damage from clearing your DP stack. The main reason a mutilate rogue would use envenom over eviscerate is for the buff that it applies which increases your instant poison proc chance. Instant poison represents a significant component of your dps, and this is why energy pooling (to get more mutilates in the duration of the envenom buff) is much more important for assassination.
And, of course, the reason combat has to stick with eviscerate is that combat uses WP/DP and gets no benefit from the buff.
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Chronic, I wouldn’t say you lose a lot of damage clearing the DP stack, at least for me it doesn’t take more than a few seconds to refill.
Sure, and I wouldn’t say envenom does “a lot more” damage than eviscerate. We’re not talking about huge numbers here; as a percentage of your total DPS it’s going to be dwarfed by your white attacks and mutilates either way.
It depends to some extent on whether you spec Master Poisoner or not, but even if you do, that still means the strong part about envenom is the buff and not the actual damage it does.
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I know other mutilate spec rogues always say to use Envenom, but I notice I do more damage with my Eviscerate glyph and Improved Eviscerate talent than doing Envenom. Anyone else with these talents find similar results?
@Egarim, yes, maybe the eviscerate itself will do more damage but what you’re missing is all the extra instant poison procs you get from the envenom buff
I meant higher overall damage in raid boss fights, but maybe i’ll try switching out Envenoms again just to be sure. I’m currently around 4k DPS with Eviscerate.Thanks for your insights.
BTW to clarify that 4k dps in 25 mans with buffs. And I understand I am missing the Envenom buff but my question is if you do more overall damage and DPS to bosses without the buff is it really worth it? Especially with how hard it is to get groups as a rogue when all you ever see in LFG channel is “LFM ranged DPS”. I’m not questioning your knowledge here just trying to see if I am missing something. Thanks again.